Updates regarding NAPS/USPS dialogue regarding plant re-ranking (Updated 9/6/13)
In the last few days, the Postal Service’s plan to re-rank mail processing plants has become public knowledge despite their best efforts to keep the information confidential until September 6, 2013. The confidential nature of the discussions between NAPS and USPS Labor Relations was due to the fact that the Postal Service had not finalized their plans nor had they briefed Area and District Managers.
During our discussions, the following items were outlined:
• A VER will be offered to all field EAS employees. The VER offer includes all area and district
EAS employees. VER-eligible employees will be mailed retirement applications and annuity estimates during the week of September 16-20.
• The VER application period will begin September 20 and will end on the decision irrevocability date of November 29. Eligible employees may select either of two VER effective dates:
December 31, 2013 or January 31, 2014. FERS employees who decide to take the VER opportunity will receive 100% retirement credit for accrued sick leave as long as these employees are on the rolls January 1, 2014. If these employees select the December 31, 2013 VER effective date, they will not receive 100% retirement credit for accrued sick leave;
• The Postal Service will not offer any financial incentives.
• EAS-14 Mail Flow Controllers may remain in their jobs until April 18, 2014 (the RIF effective date for RIF separations). These employees may not stay in those jobs beyond that date – the employees must be out of those jobs by that date;
• The re-ranking of the plants will be formally announced on September 7, 2013. This was supposed to be the date that the information was supposed to be released. We expected that this information would be provided to the Executive Board at that time. Now, here are some details regarding the process.
• The supervisor staffing ratio in the plants will remain the same. This was confirmed by USPS Headquarters during our meetings. In addition, there will be one MDO per tour and the level of the MDO will be tied to the ranking of the individual plant.
• Plants will be classified as Major, Level 1, Level 2, Level 3, Level 4, EAS-25, and EAS-24.
• The MIPS and TANS Managers will be tied to the ranking of the plant while Maintenance staffing is based on the earned Maintenance Craft complement.
• EAS positions reclassified to a higher EAS level will receive a 2% pay increase per current ELM policy.
• Employees in positions that are reclassified to a lower grade may voluntarily request a downgrade into the lower level position and will receive saved salary for two years.
These employees also have the opportunity to apply for promotion or to request a competitive or noncompetitive placement to other positions at the same or lower grade (employees will receive saved grade and salary for two years if they secure a voluntary downgrade). This situation may vary.
• The RIF avoidance timeline will be in effect from September 7, 2013 until February 11, 2014. General RIF notices will be mailed on January 14, 2014 and specific RIF notices will be mailed on February 12, 2014. The RIF effective date for RIF separations is April 18, 2014.
The RIF effective date for RIF assignments is April 19, 2014.
As a reminder, all EAS employees should update their eCareer profiles. Any employee at grade level EAS-16 or below must take and pass Examination 642 in order to be qualified for consideration for a job as Supervisor, Distribution Operations or Supervisor, Customer Services.
Please read all postings and be aware of eligibility requirements and of any limited areas of consideration. As always, there will be a review of Supervisor Workload.
Post office employees are pretty much the most worthless employees in the world. Postal trash.
is this post saying that only eas-14 will be rif( reduction in force) and all other eas will receive voluntary early retirement packages in the mail?
if this is what is being said what the big deal the post office is not getting rid of anyone, there are a hand full of EAS -14 employees.
Yo–Whats up Larry??
Newsflash………junior union steward bumps senior returning Iraq vet who gets excessed! Union won’t file grievance saying its built into the contract – sort of a self preservation clause! Union dues increased…more to follow!
Just for everyone bashing EAS, I’m EAS that doesn’t have anything to do with the employees in a management fashion. There are EAS like myself who are not management, but are higher levels in areas like mail flow, engineering, and personnel. I was a clerk for 8 years before I got promoted. It’s not because I couldn’t handle the job, I just wanted more from my career. Let’s be honest, being a clerk isn’t difficult. I’ve worked DBCS, belts, trayveyors and a window clerk. It was hard work, but it wasn’t challenging. We work for a company where 90% of our higher levels come from within the company. I wanted more from my career. Stop lumping everyone together. You just have a problem with management. Even at a higher level I still deal with the same management, the only difference now is, I’m the same level, and I can talk back.
I took VER 4 years ago. I like working for USPS but I am glad I was able to retire. I was a clerk but the carrier job is clearly the hardest. They are responsible for time, mail, and the vehicle. Some deal with ridiculous customers daily-not to mention the rain, sleet, snow AND HEAT. I think it is difficult to offer VER to them is because there is a need for experienced carriers. We all had difficult jobs. It is a difficult time at USPS; I wish all the best.
NYC carrier,
EAS refers to the pay scale which is designated “Executive and Administrative Schedule”
Moses,
106 or 107 days depending on how you count.
How many more days till Christmas?
Ok, if you actually take time to look at resources readily available on the postal intranet you can get the following facts. When a craft employee has stepped out and there is a cola or contractual raise his annual pay is increased by the full amount of the cola(s) and raise. If an EAS meets “Pay for Performance” goals and he is “stepped out” he does not get an annual pay increase instead he is given a 1 time check that does not raise annual pay. The craft employee raises accumulate so if you get 2 one percent colas and a one percent contractual raise in a year you have received a pay increase of 3% so if you were making 50,000 you are now making the following : first cola 50,000 + 1% or 500.00 = 50,500. second cola 50,500 + 1% or 505.00 = 51,005 contractual raise 51,005 + 1% or 510.00 = 51515. You start the next year with a new salary of 51515 or a total payraise of $1515.00 that is permanent and will be added to with each new cola or contractual raise in each new year. If that craft employee starts out at 50,000 and get 2 cola at 1% and a contractual 1% every year after three years the annual salary is $54682. Note: EVERY level clerk STEPS OUT higher than 50,000 this was used as an example. That clerk will have earned between 154,590 and 159,272 for the 3 year period depending on when the raises occured. EAS do not receive colas. If the eas is stepped out they do not get a salary increase but a one time payment. So a level 11 postmaster if they qualifiy for a Pay for Performance payment of 3% each year for 3 years and started out at the 50,000 level as above the first year would get a raise to 51500. The second years they would get a raise to 52,310 (stepped out)and a one time check of 690. The third year there would be no increase in annual salary but they would get a one tine check of 1570. The total pay for the 3 year period depending on when the payment were apply would be between 156,070 and 158,380. But the craft salary for the next year is now 54682 while the EAS 11 is still at 52300. The EAS would have to get a 4.6% pay for performance to make what the craft employee gets not counting any addition raise the craft employee would be entitled to. Personally if I were being given an option of a getting a 3% pay RAISE per year every years or a 5% bonus every year and I intended to be employeed more that a years or 2 I would choose the pay raise because they continue to add up.
Flush the high salaried EAS-PCES down the toilet as they are over STAPHED-over paid AND ARE NOT NEEDED FOR THE MISSION OF PROVIDING PARCEL AND BULK BUSINESS MAIL DELIVERY FOR THE USPS. Many present young employees have years to work; cost effective operations must be employed to provide customer demand to maintain and increase revenue as American tax payers have enough monetary obligations including increasing health care. Bow lagged politicans(sic) do not have interest of younger postal employees working to maintain a living for their families.
Postal employees recognize that 6 day street delivery is a wasted cost. Politics, parties and pressure groups are the ones in pushing to maintain 6 day delivery. Working Postal employees know better as cost must be reduced as new revenue generation will not be increasing.
Your talking well over 100 THOUSAND employees put out of jobs with this 5 day 21st century delivery system being put in place? Cluster boxes? Fewer PO open hour’s? Less man power = less man hours.
Saves gas? wear an tear on the vehicle’s? No need to turn on all those carrier case lights on Saturdays? Even saves on water? Nobody flushing the toilets or going to get a drink? Nation wide that’s a big saving?
Top it off with the new health care savings? Which we all know the employees will pay more? Even Issa said it’s just passing the cost on from one hand to the other.
All new hires being put in a new retirement system? We all know every time they’ve taken something away from what was a CSRS? No whip cream? No milk? What’s next? no pie at all? But more savings for the post office on top of all the above? And remember alot of plants an offices have already closed the door turned off the lights gone thousands of postal jobs, ALREADY!
And now the OIG got their sight on sick days an annual days being less to save even more an giving less to the workers.
Along with the give in the unions gave into this last contract? With the cola’s being held off the new reduced pay scale the PSE employees? An now they want to throw out the layoff clause, well for the craft empolyees anyway? Guess EAS employees dont have that? So RIF away!
Way back in one of Issa meeting one congress member said these folks should be treated better, and it comes down to giving them a way out so the new an screwed employees can take the rings of this new 21st century mule your talking about.
VER,$25K the day you leave, that’s key. People got bills to pay off just like the post office if you want them gone an that one year thrown in there to.
Take the Nikkei way out Issa,an just do it,
Be human for a change?
Andrew Kearney:
I agree with you that compared the the past, the level of micro-management today is getting ridiculous but don’t put me in Jurrasic Park just yet. Everyone is in love w/ all these new technological toys but I don’t think they really help much.Just generates more fights. The job is still the same – putting one foot in front of the other and stuffing mail in the boxes. What is comes down to is a trust issue. If you can trust the carrier to service the route well, you don’t need all this crap. Best thing city carriers could do is go to an evaluated route system like the rurals. You don’t see the rurals micro-managed. Route is evaluated at X hrs. If the carrier can do it in 6 hrs and go home 2 hrs early on a given day – no problem. Day after a holiday may go the other way. No disputes every day over how much OT/assistance is needed, 3996s and all that malarky. No more “pencil whipping” by supervisors, no milking it on the street to get OT. Trust the carrier to do his route and go home. Throw away all the “gotcha” tools. What a waste of time.
This is a common cents move as majority of plant high salary positions have no return on the massive dollar investment as new technology has eliminated the need for massive people numbers to achieve maximum return in providing services in demand. Employees that lack time and age to take advantage of any outs as they must maintain employment for a livelihood need to be provided an opportunity by decreasing giant monetary loss by providing high salaried jobs that have no need to exist same as alley opp theory; time has changed the mode of existence.
Small clustered community post offices need to be eliminated or consolidated. Move delivery to a larger nearby office and eliminate postmasters salaries $60,000. up, selling stamps and boxing mail, depending on length of service and inflated present level. Management unions and pressure groups attempt BS legislation to political groups
without any concern for employees that must have employment to maintain a worthwhile life raising a family.
5 day delivery would benefit all concerned as 6 day delivery is a waste in the 21st century. No need to waste man hours and vehicle fuel cost as 6 day delivery is not a need in American communication or life need in todays world.
Soon enough Congross will take away the no lay-off clause for all an everyone will be SOL standing hand in hand waiting for the bread/soup lines to open.
If Issa had his RIF way it would be ASAP for any one with the basic of time in to get a retirement check working it’s way down to joe PSE. Keeping all from reaching a full retirement. In a CSRS employee case 80%.
He’s big mouth has already said this, starting undue stress in the workplace for elder employees in which -IMO- that discrimination prick should be removed from office or be sent to EAP after taking a course with a national HR compliance consulting firm about discrimination.
$25K an Add,yes Add a year of service to all employees.
All would say goodbye with 🙂 faces and you post office? Whomever the fuck you are? Can bring in your new low wage none benefits slaves in, an reap all the riches with your shareholders, even Congross could do the dip in whenever they wanted?
But so much for wishful thinking, RIF the Shit! MOFO’s
Too bad they were not offered $15K – $25K. More money spent now means less for later. Always brings a smile when carriers tell us how hard they work. The paper girl does the same for a lot less and she is only 11. All in the unions are called employees as none could qualify as a ‘worker’.
Don’t stop at the plants also look at the bullies in all offices .
We have new supervisors you did not past test 642 and were still promoted as learn as you go buddy system in Arizona . Not surprised offer everyone something to get out . Post office is History!
I have been delivering mail for over 23 years myself and what Marcus doesn’t understand is the changes we have been forced to go through. He probably ran through his route every day and took a nap or long break at the end. Nobody cared about it as long as you got the job done. Now we are under a microscope. We have to scan points in our routes. We have to scan almost every parcel, even store samples. We have gps that the Postal Service can track us on and know where we are at all times. We are accountable for every minute of every day. Locally it was very hot and humid and they said to make sure we hydrated and sought relief from the heat if we needed it. What they did was bring people in for a PDI for extending street time when they did so. Marcus, you never dealt with FSS, DPS or even the one wing or no wing case. You have no clue what it is to be a Carrier these days. You are a dinosaur.
What does EAS stand for?
Also the crack-smoking club of morons may be leaving soon as well!
The only positive outcome of offering a VER to NAPS employees is that many of the people who will be leaving are stupid and should not be in their positions in the first place. They are only there because they have friends, schoolmates, church buddies or romantic interests that put them there in the first place! Many of them were fired from our various crafts and told that the only way to keep their jobs was to go into supervision. I know of one station manager that was fired because she only came to work 93 days one year as a clerk, and now she is a tyrant at a station and tries to put discipline on craft employees for 2 absences. What a mean and spiteful piece of crap she is. Other supervisors received their promotions by wearing their monogrammed knee pads! Some supervisors were hired right off the street because nobody else wanted the job. Their are many in higher positions that are counting the days until they can leave. This is good because now we can finally get rid of the “floaters” at the top and maybe get some more intelligent or reasonable people to replace them. By the way if you don’t know what a floater is just look in your toilet sometime.
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“Wise men do not suffer fools gladly.” So this will be my last comments to “All Your TSP Belongs to US”. Try 41 years service and I retired w/ almost 2 years SL. So for you to claim you forgot more than I know is laughable. Your inate hatred of EAS is so obvious that it has warped your sense of judgment. Some of the comments above you really need to listen to. If you are that miserable, you should just get the hell out. I have worked in offices where everyone was like family, we pulled together, got the job done, and treated our customers right in spite of all the nonsense the District bozos put us thru. In other offices (usually larger ones) the atmosphere and tension was so bad folks couldn’t wait to punch out. Supervisors abusing their authority, playing favorites, employees backstabbing each other…totally unnecessary and pathetic.
Yes, I agree with you, obvious contract violations are stupid and a waste of money. The flip side of that are the hundreds of frivlous grievances that are filed that have no merit, which also wastes everyone’s time and money. Where you stand depends on where you sit. (I know that might hurt your brain, but dwell on that for a minute.) As Pogo once said, “I have met the enemy, and them is us.”
While you and others are busy bashing mgmtmt and playing the blame game, you are just making it easier for the Republicans to dismantle the Postal Service. We all have a stake in the survival of the Postal Service. You need to set aside your prejudices and read some of the comments, above.
Fed Employee….you are incorrect with the “56 and 30 year” comment for FERS. It’s 25 years and ANY age for early retirement. You may be thinking CSRS?
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Hey all you EAS guys that say you treated everyone with “dignity and respect”; what planet are y’all on and what are you smoking?
I worked over 30 years, 1st as a carrier then hired on as a clerk, never met any of you.
I have a B.S. in chemistry myself (as many of my other craft coworkers had degrees), only to work for a company where supervisors were chosen by either people who raised there hand or by people who threatened EEO’s to be appeased by a promotion because they couldn’t fire them.
I don’t begrudge you your EAS job, just don’t tell me how good you were to us and you haven’t had a raise and the breast milk is too cold.
I’m retired now because I had my job abolished 5 times in the last 3 years then was threatened with being excessed to another plant 60 miles away.
Sounds like what they’re doing to y’all now.
Never was offered any sympathy while I was being jerked around, can’t really say I have any to give.
You the man “all your tsp belong to us”!
For FERS employees, if you are not at least 56 and do not have 30 years of service it is minus 5% for every year under 62. So if you are 55 and leave it would be minus 35% if the requirements are not waived. You would probably be writing a check instead of receiving to keep your medical. That’s our golden benefits.
Good evening All Your TSP belongs to us. I really am sorry you hate all management so much. Just tells me you have had assholes for supervisors. I did too when I worked in a plant. I 204bd on and off or several years and only had one grievance to deal with. I was not afraid to go to union stewards and ask their help with problems. I saw the regular supervisors fighting with craft/union all the time and figured there had to be a better way to solve issues problems. I was right – I had very few problems with employees. Hence, why I am not in true “management”. I was not “tough” enough on employees to cut it in upper levels’ eyes. I didn’t threaten or intimidate employees so I became PM in small rural community so I could treat the few rural carriers like they were human and there was no one there to tell me differently. I love the carriers and the customers in my little office and would hope that you and others with your sentiments would understand why some of us former craft employees became EAS. I didn’t “kiss ass” – and believe me I have seen plenty lower level PMs kiss ass to move up – and I never would . I became a small town PM so I could spend my last postal years happy and treating people the way my parents raised me to. Yes, I am sad I will not have my job that I used to love much longer, but I now work for an EAS bitch that thinks her shit doesn’t stink and she has made even us small town PMs hate our jobs. Sad, but yes there are EAS scums out there, but I honestly was never one of those . I hope you happier days and I guess if my job loss makes you happy, then celebrate. Have a nice week-end – and yes, I will be working tomorrow .
Little over two years Happy & Retired, don’t you worry.
And I never said I hate my job. Love it in fact.
Especially every day when I hit the streets and get away from the bozos in EAS, LMAO !
Thank you J Capie to what I said on 9/5/13 and Area Level Employment. I have to agree with much that has been said including some of us that do care about the people that do the hands on work for the USPS. I have always tried to give dignity and respect to all employees, regardless of craft or position. There are those that do not know the first thing about it unfortunately. They have talked for years about giving these bozos training on how to treat people but in 34 yrs my perspective is you either have it or you don’t. Those that don’t are not dealt with properly which should be the normal discipline process. I also think we are too fat in the middle. I have a degree in Business and those that think they know everything don’t want to listen whether they are “educated” or not. That is why we have two ears and one mouth but they will never figure it out. Most EAS were in the craft and should not forget where they came from. Why we did outside hiring with ASP always baffled me because they put these people in power after several weeks in the classroom but not a clue to the real PO. Same with some of these Mgmt Intern EAS…clueless! If I have a question I ask a craft employee to get the nuts and bolts. Thanks for listening…with those two ears.
I am an Area Level Employee, with 27 years postal service, 15 years USMC, disabled vet. At my area we have not received any raises, incentives, bonus or additional pay of any kind for over 3 years that is reserved for PCES level only. Yes I have a degree which I earned on my own time through my own pay. I entered into management competitively because I felt that I could make a difference. I attend NAPS meetings and conventions without failure, given the opportunity to voice my concerns. Being silent and uninvolved is what management at the top hopes for. At one time I was as proud of being a USPS employee as I was a Marine. No one ever gave me anything, I earned it. I have never been to a postal facility that hands out sledge hammers and shovels, that would involve hard work. I dug graves by hand prior to going into the USMC and this has been a great job. If you want to change something get involved in your union, be a heard voice. For those of you that think the EAS are the reason the USPS is where it’s at quit kidding yourself, we have bosses too, look in the mirror. Believe me the EAS in large hasn’t the ability to set policy. I feel good about the work I do every day even if it take me 12 hours, yes I am salary, no overtime, no straight pay but I do make a difference. I have never had a craft employee call me scum, but was appreciated where ever I worked, with tears shed when moving on because they were my family and I made sure they were treated with dignity and respect. Get involved and quit blaming EAS, most that I know care. I also was a carrier, and mail handler, 90% of EAS were craft at one time. I resent being lumped into your perception of EAS being a lame duck. Don’t hate others for what they achieve, just be glad that there are some of us that care.
Wow, “All your TSP Belongs to US” you are scary. If you hate your job and the USPS so much you should get out! They don’t need psychos like you. Have to agree with all that “Marcus the Elder” has said.
Btw, I have well over 2000 hours of SL moron.
Riiiiiiight Marcus. Have 30 years in myself bozo.
Typical EAS = clueless.
I’ve forgot more about work than you’ll ever know.
Truth hurts, eh ?
USPS problems, including financial, rests solely on the inept, corrupt, unethical, sleaze that are EAS.
Wonder what we could do with all the millions they waste via grievance payouts that are 100% avoidable.
Of course, not one of you is held accountable for that either.
Enjoy your rif, ROFL !
Take your meds “All Your TSP Belongs to US”, you’re hallucinating again. I was delivering mail, working night shifts, working on Christmas Day, working 12 hour days w/ no OT pay, when you were still shitting in a diaper. You don’t have a clue what hard work is. All you do is whine and blame everyone else. You are probably one of those that books off sick after a holiday weekend and sticks all your co-workers w/ picking up the slack. With crybabies like you, it’s no wonder USPS is going to hell in a handbasket. Want to see the problem? Look in the mirror.
To all the EAS bozos posting:
Spare us your “woe is us” bs.
You clowns have always made life living hell for us craft, and now you have the *gall* to ask for sympathy !?!?
We’re loving watching you squirm. Finally.
I bet you had no problems excessing carriers/clerks, eliminating routes, etc. in addition to your usual daily antics, and yet, you expect people to feel sorry for your sad, sitting in an air-conditioned office surfing the net all day, asses.
You’re expendable, face it. No matter the mail volume, someone has to deliver/sort it, and that’s us, not you.
Most of you went to EAS in the first place, because you couldn’t handle our jobs.
And now, when more than ever, co-operation is the key, no, you turn the screws even tighter.
Over the years, I’ve seen countless employees come in, bright eyed and bushy tailed, only to be needlessly crushed by your unnecessary actions.
You, who consider our customer a nuisance at best, and do all you can to turn them away.
What goes around, comes around, and hopefully, you’re finally starting to pay for your actions.
Even so, it would only be a fraction of what you truly deserve.
I hope they riff the lot of ya.
Typical EAS scum Marcus. Denying the truth, dodging the issues, deflection, and more lies.
Hope they rif the load of ya. Good riddance.
Nice try Micrus, but I, and everyone else on the floor saw it firsthand.
They had just come back from a two hour lunch celebrating it.
Keep singing the sob story. You ain’t got nuthin.
Monetary incentive for craft is always a consideration and offered. Why not to eligible EAS?
Bonus pay. they say the dont get bonus pay & they are right.Its call performance pay now. Its supposed to be based on their performance but dont know of any who really qualify. It is bonus pay but thats not what its called now so they can say they dont get bonuses!!
All you TSP Belongs to Us:
I don’t know what your PM and supervisor are waving in your face, but it’s not a bonus. They get a merit raise, (last was over 2 yrs ago) and that’s it. Sometimes, a DM can give out a small award, but that’s about it. To repeat, the claim that field EAS commonly receive “bonuses” is a bullshit myth, perpetuated by idiots like you, because you have a pathological hatred of management in general. Most likely, local mgtmt is baiting you, just to wind you up, and you are too stupid to realize it. You remind me of the a**hole Replublican Tea Baggers – don’t confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up. So, with regard to mgmtmt “bonuses” don’t call someone a liar when you don’t know WTF you are talking about. Don’t forget to take your meds, but there’s no cure for stupid. If you want to argue based on facts, fine, but if you are just going to mindlessly rant and sprew hatred, take a hike. You have zero credibility.
@Jim C says:
Don’t forget working 10 to 12 hour days getting paid for 8.
@All Your TSP Belong To Us ! says
Let me tell you about your PM and Supv either they are stupid (or you) or they are pulling your leg.. Facts is… While you get a COLA and contract increase. We haven’t seen Zip, Nada, Nothing in two years and most likely nothing this year. Only way I got a bump was a promotion. Again some people believe the union dribble and are gulible as I can see you are. Get your facts before you open your mouth. I should would like to have BONUS check. Just remember EAS don’t get COLA.
To those who have seen fit to bash ALL EAS…You OBVIOUSLY have never been in a management position. The stress from upper management to reach unattainable goals and having to look your employees in the eye and tell them to do things that you personally don’t agree with, is horrendous. The work load that keeps getting pushed off to the local units from the District continues to build. Local management never used to do accident investigation, do the hiring process, examine routes. 2 rural counts each year, arrange for vehicle maintenance if your station was not in a large city, adjust routes, sort the mail for the plant and the list goes on. (think of what you had to do when you got hired) This was done by the District. Now this being done by local mgmt. BMEU, SOX compliance, training, the several reports that are mandatory, not to mention the extra ones your superiors request. Trying to cover all the routes with little staffing, forcing overtime (which creates a hostile work environment). Being frustrated by paying 4 hours of OT when it could have been covered with 1.5 hours of POT, just so the POT code doesn’t show up on a report. Sweating sick calls, accident, vehicle breakdowns and covering all that and being afraid of being written up if you use and POT. Just a peachy job. Until you walk a mile in our shoes (and most of us have walked a mile in your shoes) I suggest you “SHUT THE HELL UP”. I don’t mean to sound like an ASS but comments like yours kind of get under my skin. Have a nice day.
Can we give Done-a-ho an early out?
Larry – as far as us “utilizing” our sick leave 100%, that statement didn’t mean so we could USE it – as FERS employees it is so we get credit for all of it as time worked. Please do your homework before you talk bad about us. ALL FERS employees will get credit for all of their S/L as time worked when they retire if after 1/1/14. Before that, we only get credit for half of it. I am shocked they aren’t trying to get rid of us before then! Please save your sick leave. If it buys you more time worked, it is worth more money monthly when you go. Sorry you hate mgmt. so much. I don’t believe in mgmt by intimidation and I know it is prevalent out there. Hang in there..
Just to clarify a few things. I am an EAS employee – a Level 11 Postmaster that is scheduled to be riffed as of 10-1-14. I have 25 1/2 yrs in. Over 7 as a mail handler at a plant, 8 1/2 as a PTF clerk in an office and the rest as a PM. We have not had raises in 3 1/2 years, I am at the top of my pay scale and clerks and carriers both make more than I do. Not sure about mail handlers. We were told about a month ago we could become FT mail handlers, carriers or PTF clerks if we did not want to be riffed. That is our “soft landing” the dumbass PMG is so fond of talking about. And by the way, they DO NOT have to offer us a dime to RIF us. IF we are 55 w/20 yrs or have 25 yrs and any age, we get “discontinued service annuity” which just means we retire w/ no penalty and can keep our insurance. Whoopee…..I will go early just to get away from the bitch I have as a boss.
the post office eas for the most part have no university education, add to that the diversity at any cost with just a warm body= a company losing 12 billion a year since 2009 = around 60 billion total in 2013. now compare that with really great companies in the private sector, all management employees have BA, BS, MBA, JD, MD, PhD’s……….can you see Boeing staffing their company with high school educated people instead of aeronautical engineers………the jets would never take off. EAS people are over paid and if they lose their jobs they will take a 80% pay cut. RIF 75% of postal middle mismanagement, they are not needed just dead weight with fancy titles and no education to back up the fancy title.
Reduction in force is a federal program overseen by the Office of Personal Management – I believe that money must be offered to employees that are involved in a RIF – that sum use to be $25,000, just our luck – the USPS will RIF management!
Right on larry. Same ol’ two sets of rules for these scum.
They did this (Rif reshuffle)a few years back with supervisors. Musical chairs is an accurate analogy. Some do retire and then the game begins of filling back those vacant positions. I can’t see many leaving in this economy. The numbers will be fudged to show this big reduction when in reality it was a reshuffle. Can’t understand why they still have a supervisor program anymore with wanting to reduce them! Numbers have been to big for a long time if congress actually crunched the number across the country i’m sure they would find a huge discrepancy in the amount of supervisors still on the rolls. With mail volume shrinking and automation requiring fewer workers they just can’t hide them anymore.
Marcus the Elder, YOU are the one who needs to get their facts straight.
Tell my PM and stuporvisor that field EAS don’t get bonuses. They’ve literally waved them in our faces.
Typical EAS scum; can’t speak without lieing.
Did you read it closely. The expanded date for FERS is to “ALLOW” them meaning EAS to utilized 100% of their accrued sick leave balance. Oh, so it’s ok for them to use their sick leave, but if we call out we get attendance reviews and harassed. I will make sure I use all my sick leave now. We all work for the same company “RIGHT”. What is good for the goose is good for the gander.
If what NAPS is currently reporting is true( voluntary earlier retirement offer for EAS) it is basically a squeeze play. Just read the article in Federal Times on the same subject. NAPS suggested to USPS that they offer early out cash incentives. USPS response: that’s not on the table. They are playing hard ball and putting on pressure/stress. They are starting a reduction in force (RIF) process. Basically, it’s nothing more than an elaborate game of musical chairs, w/ all these federal rules. It goes something like this: we used to have 40K EAS jobs. Now, w/ all the plant closures, we only need 25K EAS jobs. RIF rules basicially breaks each installation into a “competitive area”. Every employee is in a competitive area.Then, in the competitive area, people get the remaining jobs, by seniority. Pref elligible veterans are the last to be bumped. So, Plant X is a competitive area. If the Plant is being closed, there are no jobs left in the competitive area which, by seniority, a person can retreat to. Those people will have to scramble for a job somewhere else. If the competitive area is just shrinking, then it’s musical chairs for the remaining, available jobs. Those who don’t land a job must move or get laid off. If one doesn’t find a “landing spot” they will ultimately be laid off. That’s where the scare factor comes in. These guys and gals will all get letters that say if you don’t find another job by such and such a date, you will be terminated. What USPS is banking on is that rather than face such uncertainty, many will say screw it, and just take the early out, even if it means taking a 2% reduction for every year under age 55. The other factor: people don’t want to move-take kids out of school, wife loses her good job, etc. Sounds like, as currently configured, it’s going to be ugly. Donahoe used to talk about finding a “landing spot” for everyone that doesn’t take the VERA. So far, I haven’t heard that.
NAPS will help them in applying for private sector jobs. McDonalds will hire these x-managers in a micro second to manage restrooms, trash, and cooking oil. And if any one knows of a company that needs to be run into the ground, let NAPS know. Thats one thing USPS management are very skilled at.
Well said Marcus the Elder…
It doesn’t matter if you having aching knees,have a pathological hatred of EAS or want to get out so bad you can taste it. USPS is going to offer early outs and cash incentives only when they absolutely have to, and it suits their plan. You will no longer see across the board offers. Right now, they have excess EAS because they are going from about 420 mail processing plants to about half that number. When 5 day delivery becomes reality, that’s when they will target shedding some carriers. It’s what makes sense for them, not you, so get over yourself.
As far as dumping on EAS, it seems like the same old urban myths just keep getting repeated. They don’t get any big bonuses, only the HL officer levels do in HQ. EAS in the field get zero in the way of bonuses; all they get is a stingy merit raise once a year, usually 2 to 3 % if they get one at all, Not even enough to keep up w/ inflation. They have gotten nothing in the last three years, They get no COLA – that was taken away years ago. So if you adjust for inflation over the years, most EAS are earning less in real paurchasing power than they did 10 to 15 years ago. Yea, I know, your heart really bleeds for these EAS types. But knock off the “big bonuses” myth horeshit and get your facts straight. Yes, there are some real a**holes in the EAS ranks but there is just as many in the craft.These are the a**holes you Union wastes 70% of your dues defending.
Hey “hate the place”; now that y’all are finally getting yours you want to be friends? What a joke…being a clerk or carrier is easier? Yea right, lifting 75 lbs. sacks in a sweltering plant in the summer, bending over for 12 hrs. (mandatory) raking a dbcs, or walking a route until dark, first in the rain…then the sun comes out, or snow; yea that obviously much easier than you sitting in your air conditioned office sharing birthday cake with the plant manager and all the other suck ups.
Hey, not knocking you for finding your way to the middle, but don’t cry when you get riffed because you have no layoff protection.
Oh, and most of y’all immediately act like your better than us craft folks as soon as you slime your way up.
Never got any sympathy from any lower management or EAS folks while we were getting force to different tours, hours and plants while you “worked” your 9ish to 4ish with 2 hour lunches.
What, no incentive? The PMG, HQ & the BOG think of EAS as scraps. They give the PMs, APWU and NPMHU $$ but not EAS? Good luck with this VERA ’cause it stinks and the economy has not recovered. No “RIF”s even lose their jobs so that “threat” is bogus too.
EAS = someone who couldn’t handle the work of a craft job.
Quit bitching about no cola’s. Those unearned bonuses you clowns get are much more than ANY cola we have received.
Nice try EAS, but since you (wrongly) get paid a LOT more anyway, tough shit.
Cry me a river, worthless EAS.
I think there are not many PCES and Field EAS take the offer, it is a easy job for them, why retire?
Most EAS did work as a clerk or carrier and trust me the work was easier. Do your job and go home! Tell that to an EAS employee.
We need to stop bashing each other and realize that the postal service is no longer a desireable place to work.
Lets look at the way we pay rural carriers….A route can be evaluated at 8 hours and carrier is finishing in 4…something is wrong with this practice. We wonder why their are accidents!And yes I do think that city carriers are over managed. Let them do their job!!
How are you enjoying that August COLA? The “worthless” folks you are referring to haven’t seen a dime’s worth of increase in three years.
The carrier package is coming soon. DON’T HOLD YOUR BREATH
Sucka, that reduction won’t be via a vera.
It’ll be via going to five day delivery.
RATS LEAVING A SINKING SHIP………
If they are letting EAS go, I wonder why they don’t let HQ EAS go. HQ levels are always higher than field for similar levels of responsibility, and that is true everywhere – not just USPS – so why not let HQ EAS go too? Am I missing something here?
The post office is forecasting 43,000 reduction for fiscal year 2014(starts October 1, 2013) then 12,000 reduction in 2015. VERA will be offered to Carriers in “Fiscal Year 2014”.
Carriers will get a VERA* when there are excess carriers.
*No VSIP, I see – only VERA.
They always have and will take care of their own!!
OMG!!!! You know they are NEVER going to offer us an out. The union is afraid of losing $$, and the P.O. would probably crumble. There are not enough subs right now to cover routes they know our jobs are difficult to replace. Lets keep dreaming tho:)
I say RIF all those worthless EAS employees. ….
Why aren’t we reading that a VER is offered to the carrier craft?
So, that’s at least TWO vera’s offered to those who haven’t worked a day in the first place.
Meanwhile, the real workforce of the USPS, the carriers, have yet to receive one.
FTFF